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    Default Built 4t65e - The results are in.

    Edit:

    Now that it's complete, here's the full build sheet:

    Master rebuild kit
    -New BW frictions, Raybestos steels, seals, gaskets, and filter
    PNH JTFM Torque convertor (Stock repalcement)
    Bonded separator plate
    Torlon check balls
    Oversize 2nd steel plates x2
    Molded 2nd apply piston
    Sonnax 3rd clutch piston kit (984965-01k)
    TEP reconditioned reaction carrier
    TEP reconditioned input piston
    300m iput shaft
    7/8" 2.93 ratio sprockets
    Borg warner PCS
    Borg warner TCCS
    Shift solenoid x2
    Superior AFL valve repair kit
    Superior valve body kit
    Sonnax TCC relief valve
    Sonnax lube tube clamp
    Trans-go shift kit
    Hardened 4th clutch hub
    ZZP aluminum pan (With improved steel threads)
    New 2-1 coast band
    New 7/8" Hy-Vo chain
    New 1-2 Sonnax shift valve
    New accumulator pistons
    New bushings (All of them)
    New thrust washers
    New Lube dam
    New magnets
    New drive sprocket bearing

    "Mods" Include:
    Modified shift kit spring arrangement
    Enlarged separator plate feed holes
    Tightened 2nd clutch pack
    Tightened 3rd clutch pack
    5 Friction input clutch

    See post #232 for it's real world review.



    Begin original post:

    This fall/winter, I'm planning on building a transmission for my car.

    Here's what I'm planning on using for parts:
    PNH Torque convertor
    Master rebuild kit
    -New frictions, steels, seals, gaskets, and filter
    All bands
    Bonded spacer plate
    Torlon check balls
    Oversize 2nd steel plates x2
    Molded 2nd apply piston
    Molded 3rd apply piston
    TEP reconditioned reaction carrier - Original is out of spec
    300m iput shaft
    7/8" 2.93 single chain set
    Borg warner PCS
    Borg warner TCCS
    AC Delco shift solenoid x2
    Superior AFL valve repair kit
    Superior valve body kit
    Sonnax TCC relief valve
    Trans-go shift kit
    Dorman pan w/ drain plug - Junkyard poked the original
    Hardened 4th clutch hub
    Differential lube tube clamp
    Lube dam
    Round magnet

    Here's the "mods" I plan to do:
    Tightened 2nd clutch pack
    Tightened 3rd clutch pack
    Convert to internal cooler check ball

    Here's what I'm debating:
    Bushings - Not seeing any substantial wear on the originals
    Drive sprocket bearing - Feels tight, but I'm told it's a common failure (?)
    Bonded sonnax 3rd apply piston - Because I'm right there

    The core transmission was pulled from a smashed junkyard '02 Regal with an unknown history. The only thing I know for sure is, 4th gear was gone (based on the completely absent splines on the 4th hub). No chunks in the pan, average amount of sludge on the magnet. Fluid looked.... average for a Tucson w-body. No burned or scarred internals.

    This setup is probably overkill for my current, or even future mods, but here's my though process: I'm going to pull and shelf my current stock, working transmission. Install the built trans and roll on that until I eventually move on from this car. At that point, I'll re-install the stock trans and sell the built trans as a low mile working unit. Hopefully for what I have into it.

    For what it's worth, I have all the time in the world to do this build. No rush on anything. I also have HP tuners, so I can make adjustments in the PCM to take advantage of all the improvements in this build.

    So what do you guys think? Is it a solid plan? What are your thoughts on the pieces I'm debating?
    Last edited by BrandonHall10; 07-20-2016 at 01:13 PM. Reason: Title change

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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Sounds pretty good to me.


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    Sounds pretty good to me.
    Thanks Bill! What are your thoughts on replacing the bushings? Old ones don't show any odd or excessive wear.

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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonHall10 View Post
    Thanks Bill! What are your thoughts on replacing the bushings? Old ones don't show any odd or excessive wear.
    If the bushings look good don't worry about them. Caged needle bearing in the stator support I always replace because it is a very common failure.
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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    If everything else is overkill, why not replace them anyways ?
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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Quote Originally Posted by GMR Badass View Post
    If the bushings look good don't worry about them. Caged needle bearing in the stator support I always replace because it is a very common failure.
    I think this is the part that always seems to broken for me on my first couple of builds
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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Quote Originally Posted by GMR Badass View Post
    If the bushings look good don't worry about them. Caged needle bearing in the stator support I always replace because it is a very common failure.
    Is there a way to get the old one out without having the special Kent Moore tool? How do you remove it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyBob03 View Post
    If everything else is overkill, why not replace them anyways ?
    Only because I've never replaced them before. I don't know what kind of tooling it would take. Ebay bushing/bearing puller and Harbor Freight arbor press?

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    Pull the TC seal and the 3-4 torx screws are right there. Poof.. done.


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    I guess I don't understand Bill. That gets the stator support out of the case, but I still need to get the bearing out of the stator support.

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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    It's one piece when you buy the new one.


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    at least I'm remembering it as one piece. Unless I just pulled the bearing and replaced it.


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Yeah. Definitely 2 pieces. Caged bearing is pressed into the stator support.


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    I used something else to get it out.. Might own that tool now. Wanna buy more 4T65 tools?


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    Wanna buy more 4T65 tools?
    I'm always looking. You got something to get that bearing out?

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    I might have that actual tool... I'll look and pm you


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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    Pass the torch Bill!

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    text me your number... cause everyone already has mine


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    Sent a PM. I guess I'm one of the few who doesn't have your number.

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    Default Re: Fall transmission build - Opinions welcomed

    I don't recommend the PNH torque converter at all. While mine hasnt failed or had any issues to speak of, its very, very loose, which makes it horrific on the LS4. My gas mileage dropped to 12.8mpg on this converter as it constantly has to rev to about 2500rpm to accelerate at any good clip. It stalls around 2800 and flashs just above 3k, while it may be ideal for the cam I have, it makes the car feel like a tug boat in the low end. I've spoken with dave at TEP about this and he said its typical of the reman JTFM converters, as they are built around the GTP's 3800 v6. I also spoke with several LS cam mfg'ers and they all recommend getting a custom converter like a circle d, which said they would be more then happy to do the 4t65e. It would be much tighter around town and you could still probably get the stall you wanted without having to worry about it feeling "loose". I'm looking at doing this in a few months and having it swapped out.

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    Get a PI reman converter through Dave at TEP. I'm like stock stall speed or even lower. 500whp+ Whipple car is running a 2500 stall.
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