Russ, I hear ya. Its funny how everyone thinks the higher the Kelvin rating the brighter the bulb. I too have had these arguments. Its useless as you say! Id like to shoot every damn Halogen headlight i see with a HID bulb. Hopefully you can get your Retros soon! The LED lights are bright. As long as they have them adjusted right the are great. But I have seen a few drivers who have no clue how to adjust and have them pointed high, TRUST ME they have glare then!! HAHA. I wish i had done demon eyes on mine with the halos i have, but didnt. Trying to tell my wife thats a great excuse to build another set!