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    Default Phenolic Intercooler for your Gen3/Gen5 M90, L67/L32 3800's - LOOK INSIDE

    Start at Post 551 for current design pictures. Hybrid phenolic Intercooler with working PCV.

    November 2015

    Current price is $495 with bolts and shipping (Flat Rate USA)




    http://www.grandprixforums.net/showpost.php?p=1325093


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    Machining 1 video by sseilmnop - Photobucket
    Machining 2 video by sseilmnop - Photobucket


    CNC Phenolic Intercooler 2.02 inches thick. Phenolic material does not transfer the engine heat to the supercharger!!! Works with Eaton M90 superchargers Gen 3 and Gen 5 available. EGR is functional but the PCV will need a machined manifold (1/4" hole drilled) and an air breather. Note I connected a fitting on my oil cap to the N* throttle body to make my PCV fully functional without an air breather.

    See this link on how to get you PCV fully functional
    PCV

    This unit is approximately 3/8" THINNER than the ZZP phenolic intercooler. This unit will fit under most stock hoods without cutting the hood, using cradle spacers or using an ZZP inlet turndown (only about 70mm ID). An intercooler 2-3/8 will hit some stock hoods. I didn't use gaskets, I used Permatex to seal the Intercooler to manifold, intercooler plates and the intercooler to supercharger. I recommend Permatex Ultra Grey Rigid High-Torque for it's adhesive properties but it is not included!

    Core is aluminum construction; 34 fins per inch, 18 water channels and 5/8 diameter connections. Core is 1/4" thinner than ZZP's but they have only 28 fins per inch and 16 water channels.

    I have made more than 50 of these intercoolers. The first one I installed June 2010 on my Bonneville daily driver.
    January 2014 still running 1st intercooler.

    Machined manifolds have the inlet opening increased for best air flow with intercooler, throttle body coolant passages are plugged, coolant flow is increased from the rear head and manifold is shot blasted.

    PRJ aluminum intercooler, 2.125 thick, looks cool but they are preorder only, takes months, and expensive. $925 plus manifold.
    ZZP Phenolic intercooler, 2.375 thick, is $850 plus $100 for the manifold. (no longer available December 2011)
    ZZP Aluminum intercooler, 2.25 thick, is $$650 plus $100 for the manifold
    WBS Aluminum intercooler(PCV functional with air breather), 2.25 thick, is $550.00 plus $100 for the manifold

    Reference
    PRJ PRJ
    ZZP ZZP
    WBodyStore W Body Store


    Gen 3 intercooler w/bolts and shipping $549(total price)
    Gen 5 intercooler w/bolts and shipping $554(total price)

    Machined Manifold $150 no core charge (shipping included w/ intercooler purchase)
    Shipping, USPS (lower 48 states)
    Canada add $25 for shipping

    Gen 5 bolts (Zinc plated and 1 long bolt is black)
    Gen 3 bolts (Zinc plated)
    You pay PayPal 3% or friend / family transfer.


    I DO NOT have complete kits, I just have intercooler cores, machined manifolds and bolts. Here is a list of what else is needed along with links of where to get it.


    1. W Body Store Fuel Rails $179.00 plus $20.00 core (free shipping)
      W Body Store
    2. W Body Intercooler install kit. $329.00 (free shipping)
      Includes pump, front mount heater exchanger, hose and fittings
      W Body Store
    3. Dorman - Autograde Heater Hose Connector, Plastic, Size - 5/8" x 3/4 (includes 3) $5.95
      Dorman 500-011 - Dorman Fittings & Plugs - Overview - SummitRacing.com
    4. Dayco 87000 - Dayco Molded Heater Hoses (2 required) $6.50/each
      Dayco 87000 - Dayco Molded Heater Hoses - Overview - SummitRacing.com
    5. Loctite 37464 - Loctite RTV Gray Silicone Gasket Maker $5.99
      Loctite 37464 - Loctite RTV Gray Silicone Gasket Maker - Overview - SummitRacing.com





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    Installation information
    Manifold Recommendations (already done if purchased manifold)
    1. For best air flow, the lower manifold inlet opening should be machined to match the intercooler. You will also need to drill a hole as shown in the picture. Place the lower phenolic plate on the manifold for proper positioning.
    2. I recommend sealing the throttle body water passages, sanding the diameter of 2 dimes, and sealing with RTV works well. NPT pipe plugs also work.

    Installation and RTV
    1. All surfaces should be degreased and dry. A coarse surface is better for RTV to adhere to.
    2. Intercooler plates do not come sealed, they should be sealed with Permatex Ultra Grey Gasket Maker (RTV). Put RTV around both tube connections and on the flat surface between the plates.
    3. I recommend sealing the phenolic intercooler to the lower intake manifold and to the supercharger with RTV, no gaskets.
    4. Put 4 small dots of RTV on the heat exchanger corners, top and bottom to prevent any rattle or movement, do not over do it.
    5. Make sure that the drilled hole shown in the picture is not blocked with RTV, a short blast of compressed air through intercooler matching holes works well. This is your rear PCV port. This supplies vacuum to your crankcase. Valve cover breather is required for the front port which does not fit on the intercooler. Also see the link below. http://www.grandprixforums.net/how-g...her-44478.html
    6. RTV needs time to seal, do not start engine until it has had time to cure!
    7. I do an initial torque and then do a final torque once it has cured.
    8. Clearance is very tight to the pulleys and brackets, I used 5/8” molded heater hoses shown, available at most auto parts Stores. Trimming of one tube may be necessary. Google “molded heater hose 5/8” and you will get results from $2 and up.
    9. Contact me with any questions…. sseilmnop@gmail.com


    4/29/2012 (4) ready to ship



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    They are made from phenolic and break at 8 ton.
    Well above the 1 ton needed.
    Cost is $86 including USPS FLATE RATE SHIPPING to most USA.
    You pay PayPal 3% or friend family transfer.
    Last edited by sseilmnop; 02-19-2017 at 09:52 AM.
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

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    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    bump
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    I'm super interested, but I'm outta play money for a while. I have your email saved so I can get a hold of you. Free bump for good ****!
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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    I am hella interested as well....what is the total price, excluding delivery for this? also i have been burned on purchases from here before so i am a bit sketchy
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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    It's in his original post:

    My Price (must add 3% to total for paypal fees or do personal transfer)
    Intercooler $425 (core and phenolic price have gone up since i purchased last year)
    Machined Manifold $ 75.00 plus $50 core charge

    Flat rate shipping, $25 USPS Parcel Post Insured (lower 48 states)

    I do not include bolts, I can not provide them any cheaper than ZZP. I recommend ZZP 2.25 bolts for this kit with 2 flat washers.
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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    2 intercoolers ready to ship.

    2/27/2011
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    Heat exchanger with this?
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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    Not a complete kit, does not include front mount heat exchanger.
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    1 intercooler ready to ship 3/1/2011
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    Do u have to have lim
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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    If I bought a ZZP LIM would it be possible to modify your intercooler to work with the stock PCV of a Gen V M90? I am trying to avoid a breather or running a line to my oil cap, but I really like your price.

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    The size of the heat exchanger core does not allow cross drilling the phenolic for the front PCV port.

    Machined lower intake is not required but strongly recommended.
    02 SSEi, 55k NC car, Gen 5, 2-1/4" hybrid intecooler, 1.9 yella terra, overkill tune.
    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

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    I sell Hybrid Phenolic Intercoolers , Gen 5 TB adapters, boost by-pass actuators, Supercharger couplers and all bearings!!

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    i'm just starting my ic research, but it is basically the first mod i want to do. i've been always told with any sc or turbo to intercool immediately. i noticed it states that it doesn't come with everything needed. what else is needed?

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    Take a look at ZZP or Wbodystore for complete intercooler kits. They have tons of info. Notice that ZZP doesn't offer a kit for the phenolic but they do offer a phenolic core. (2-3/8 thick)


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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    what else is needed with this besided heat exchanger
    99 GTP- 104s, 180 Tstat, 1.9 rockers, 3.4, ls1 MAF, KN, 3''DP, HF cat, GMPP Strut Bars, Crappy Tune, Broken Tensioner Mod.

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    What is included in my W Body Store Intercooler Kit?
    26FPI Intercooler Core
    Bosch Intercooler Pump
    NEW Style Front Mount Heat Exchanger
    20 Feet of 3/4" Rubber Line (resists kinking)
    2 Supercharger Gaskets
    2 Supercharger O-Rings
    Longer Supercharger Bolts
    Full Detailed Installation Instructions (available on our website)
    Valve Cover Breather (For proper PCV operation)


    Clicking links gives you information.

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    Can you make a core to fit on the SSm90 kits. I have a SSIC but id like to upgrade to a larger core. Basically the core would need to mimic a SSIC shape

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    Default Re: $425 Phenolic Intercooler Gen 3 III Gen 5 V L67 L32 Eaton M90 Stage 3

    ok, let's try it this way, what all does this come with exactly then?

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