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    Default Re: Another GM recall for 3800 engine fire

    Quote Originally Posted by idrivejunk View Post
    From personal experience I can say those soak up like a pint of ATF if you let the car sit upside-down for an hour or so. lol. However it does not catch fire, in my experience.
    Mental note taken. LOL
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    Default Re: Another GM recall for 3800 engine fire

    I see a lot of complaining about GM not fixing the real cause of the engine fire. What is the real cause?

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    Well the real cause in my book is this: gm took the lazy way out with building this engine. I don't thing the gave it enough testing time to "find" this problem out. And atm I think they don't give 2 sh!ts about this other than temp fixes to keep the lawers happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by idrivejunk View Post
    My white one did that due to a nice hole in the piston #1. Other than that ran fine lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drive XR7 View Post
    I see a lot of complaining about GM not fixing the real cause of the engine fire. What is the real cause?
    IMO, the real cause is lack of maintenance. If your valve cover is leaking, it needs to be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco Boy View Post
    IMO, the real cause is lack of maintenance. If your valve cover is leaking, it needs to be changed.
    So the root cause of the engine fire is, indeed, the leaky valve cover?

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    Default Re: Another GM recall for 3800 engine fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive XR7 View Post
    So the root cause of the engine fire is, indeed, the leaky valve cover?
    Yes.

    Recall #09047: Some of these vehicles have a condition in which drops of engine oil may be deposited on the exhaust manifold through hard braking.
    Recall #15757: Oil leaks onto a hot engine manifold, which typically happens after “hard braking”.Engine oil that drips onto the hot surface of the exhaust manifold may result in a fire.

    And apparently this is the 3rd recall on this issue. I wonder what the first fix was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drive XR7 View Post
    So the root cause of the engine fire is, indeed, the leaky valve cover?
    The root cause is GM not fixing the issue right the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthee View Post
    The root cause is GM not fixing the issue right the first time.
    I vote re-gasket the entire engine. Then my oil pan and rear cover can get fixed XD.


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    Default Re: Another GM recall for 3800 engine fire

    One of the recalls was a new gasket, then the rear manifold heat shield, now i think its the valve cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthee View Post
    The root cause is GM not fixing the issue right the first time.
    That is not the cause of the problem. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubwayBrat View Post
    I vote re-gasket the entire engine. Then my oil pan and rear cover can get fixed XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drive XR7 View Post
    So the root cause of the engine fire is, indeed, the leaky valve cover?
    Small engine fires yes, the fires where the entire car goes up in flames is the fuel rail orings.

    Why don't we merge this thread with the 50 other threads about this same issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettstoner View Post
    So how can we fix the problem as cheaply as possible. I know. Instead of fixing the leak we will move the wires so it will drip on the ground instead of down to the manifold. Now several thousand more NTSB complaints, few more car fires, few more deaths. Hey I know how we can fix it. Rather then replace the gaskets, cause hey that's too expensive, why should we do things right, let's just remove everything out of the way that can catch fire.

    Same with the ignition recall. Wait. Rather then replace a defective ignition switch let's just prevent people from using their key ring. Why fix the actual problem when you can just half a$$ the repair!

    Don't you just love GM! Shows you that money matters more then people's lives.
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    I received the recall notice, and contacted my favorite dealership. I mentioned I had already changed the valve cover gasket, and they said there was a reimbursement. They told me I needed to wait for the parts to come in, then to make an appointment, and they would reimburse me then. No idea how much it is, or if they will still want to change the valve cover, but I already took off the oil fill tube extension and replaced it with a generic oil cap, so they shouldn't need to change it.

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    I got the letter about 2 weeks ago for my GTP. When I bought the GT I called the stealership and asked if they'd do it on the GT. The service guy said he had no idea what I was talking about, the only recall he had was for the plug wire re-route.

    Of course, that same stealership is why I started doing my own repairs a LONG time ago. But, maybe I can get them to reimburse me for the new gaskets.

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    I have 2 cars, which recall notices have been received: a 1999 3.8 k Grand Prix and a 2001 3.8k Monte Carlo SS.
    The notice says the front valve cover and gasket will be replaced with animproved design, and the plastic "beauty cover" and oil fill tubewill be removed. No notice of what they will be replaced with.
    I called GM and one dealer and was told that only if the front valve cover wasleaking, would a repair be made. The dealer said no parts were available untilthe middle of March. The parts mentioned were a new valve cover gasket if aleak was found.

    I called a second dealer and was told that a new valve cover andgasket, along with a new o ring for the oil filler tube, would beinstalled even if no leaks were found. This second dealer took my phone numberand said he would order the parts and call me to make an appointment when theparts were in. He said the valve cover gasket was on back order but the otherparts were available.
    Man, is GM ever screwed up. I was wondering if anyone has had this repair doneor received a recall notice.

    I have checked both cars, and I can find no leaks around the valve covers. TheMonte Carlo has 38,000 miles and the Grand Prix 172,000 miles. The grand prixhas had a new intake manifold and new Fel-pro valve cover gaskets installed.

    There have been over 1,500 car fires because the oil leaks onto the exhaustmanifold. The recall notice recommends parking the cars outdoor as 85% ofthe fires start with the cars unattended.
    I would be interested in any feedback or experience you had regarding thisproblem.

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    I called a dealer to setup appointment for the recall and also they said they would have to order the part and will call me to set up an appointment when the part arrives. So we wait and hopefully not blow up in the meantime. GM needs to correct this the right way. This is my second or third recall for this issue, can't remember now. They just don't care anything about their customers lives. This was unheard of until today's time. All they care about is the mean dirty green(dollar bill y'all).

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    Default Re: Another GM recall for 3800 engine fire

    Quote Originally Posted by frhendricks View Post
    This was unheard of until today's time. All they care about is the mean dirty green(dollar bill y'all).
    Unheard of? You best do some Googling. This has been the way since at least the 60's.

    Here are a few of the best ones from over the years..... 1978 Ford Pinto, 69-71 GM engine mounts, 78-80 Ford F-series and so on.

    It is cheaper for these companies to pay out a few court cases than pay out for recalls. They WILL ALWAYS lay low until they are forced to do otherwise.
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