This is a discussion on Rebuild your supercharger within the Community Vendors forums, part of the Classifieds and Sales category; If you need any parts to rebuild your snout or case bearings, we've got snout kits, couplers, needle bearings. I've ...
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So you are the man from rolling performance? or are you just plugging in their web site?
I emailed you guys about buying in bulk and something else about the bearings you supply, but cant remember what exactly. Its been several years, and never heard back form you, so moved on.
Welcome to have you here non the less.
Yeah it's me.
For anybody on the forum here, I'm willing to do a discount. Let me see if I can set up a coupon code or something like that. Or maybe free shipping.
How about free samples.
Ok, I tried at least. LOL
I'm looking for a new bearing supplier since I found out a little dirty secret about the bearings ZZP is selling as "replacements" for the M90's.
oooo whats the dirty secret... you can pm if you want....
Then he would have to PM all of us.
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I would, but I can get them cheaper still.
I hope Farnsworth lays it out because I have talked to him about it since I have a snout that needs to be rebuilt and Ive kept it bottled up. No, I wont say, so dont PM me about it. I told Farnsworth I would leave it up to him to give the details.
That said, I would welcome a discount from rolling performance as I desperately need a rebuild kit for the snout. I would love a set of ceramic bearing for no other reason than I am completely curious as to how well they would work, particularly in reducing parasitic drag. I know, I know, its probably better just to get a regular rebuild kit, but I love to experiment and try things out and I would have done this already if not for the cost of the bearings.
Pretty much the bearings that are supplied are replacement bearings in the sizes needed for our snouts. Anybody can get these bearings dang near anywhere for a lot less if you shop around, but, they bearings your buying are not rated for the RPM's these blowers spin at.
Take a stock Eaton snout bearing to a bearing supply store, and if they know their stuff, at a quick glance, they will see the difference and know...thats a bearing that spins really fast isn't it?
Not to bash the bearings that are supplied, as I have been buying them from ZZP for many-many years for all my rebuilds. They will work, and have worked. My first rebuild was done in 2001 and is still running as a daily driver to this day with no leaks or problems. But thats not to say that these bearings are just regular joe-schmo off the shelf bearings made in China.
I found a local supplier here in Wichita who lets me buy at wholesale. The bearings are nicer than what I used to buy else where, with my price they run about the same to a little higher than online. But the quality is there, when you spin them on your fingers, you can tell, when you compare.
Just to shed some light on the subject of bearings, there are some misconceptions about bearing numbers and what they mean. I would like to think that I have some knowledge on the subject being that my main business is bearings and seals, for my industrial company.
The bearings that come in these superchargers are C3 bearings. This C3 has nothing to do with quality or precision, it's just the internal clearance of the bearing. C3 is considered "standard fit". C2 or C1 is "tighter fit" while C4 is looser fit. That said, don't be fooled by someone saying C3 is a higher quality bearing, it has nothing to do with quality, just the internal clearance of the bearing.
There are also a million brands that manufacture bearings. Obviously, you do want to stay away from Chinese bearings, although there are some high quality Chinese factories that produce good bearings. Many of the Chinese factories have all state of the art new facilities, it's just the quality of the material that they use to manufacture that can be questionable. SKF is a brand that everyone thinks is an industry leader in bearing quality, however, you are really paying a higher price for the name rather than quality. ORS is a mfg. in Turkey that is 1/2 the price of SKF, but quality is top notch. They purchase all their steel from SKF Sweden, balls are from SKF Italy, and equipment is all from an old SKF plant. Another well known name is the German manufacturer FAG bearings. What many don't know is that most of their ball bearings are now manufactured in Korea by a company called KBC.
Basically, I'm just trying to let you guys know that we are knowledgable about bearings, and only would sell good quality bearings. All our kits use NTN bearings which are on par or better quality than the NSK bearings that actually come stock in the Eatons. They are also C3 fit which is also what come stock. Sorry for the long post but I hope this sheds some light on what's behind bearings.
Very good information, may have to sticky this for a while or put it somewhere for all to come across when its needed.
So give me some details on those ceramic bearings. Ive been on the fence about those. How much drag/friction can they reduce and what would its overall affect be since you still have to spin the rotors that also sit in bearings that arent ceramic?
Anyway, just trying to learn cause I like to reduce friction where I can.
That is some really good info.
German Quality FTW...till I read that.
I had head about SFK thing, but never heard it from another reliable source till now. Thats how it goes now a days...you pay for the name but not the quality.
As for the China made bearings, I do agree they have the machines to make, or should say could make a quality bearing, but the material they make it from is of poor quality. Got to love the recycled ore they buy from America huh? LOL Much like the metal they make their cars from..recycled - recycled ore.
Now I remember what I emailed you guys about years ago.
I'm sending you a PM here in a minute.
Some good info on their website Cerbec | ceramic bearing balls
I would be more than sure they would have the ends opened and would get its lube from the supercharger oil. You would almost have to.
They are open, just like standard bearings. Bearings have a higher max rpm rating when lubricated with oil like the oil in the supercharger, than when lubricated by grease, such as a sealed bearing. Your standard steel bearing carries a speed limitation of 20000 rpm for the rear bearing and 18000 rpm for the front bearing when oil lubricated. With the ceramic bearings, the rating will increase by 35% and your fatigue life rating increases by over 250% (meaning it will last at least 2.5 times longer than steel bearing)
You know, Im glad you are here. We need more knowledgeable people like yourself here. I think between you and Farnsworth we ought to have the the M90 snout covered pretty well.
Are there any ceramic bearings for the housing? Those needle bearings?
Unfortunately not. There's a company in Germany called Cerobear that makes ceramic needle bearings but they are REALLY expensive. They make a caged needle roller that the NASCAR teams use as a rod bearing but they are really just not affordable right now. Maybe sometime down the line they might get better but as of now it's not an option.Are there any ceramic bearings for the housing? Those needle bearings?