Ok here is my problem. I received my WBody HID kit from the Branson GPM and I just recently installed them, about 3 months ago, and ever since then I have had problems with them.



Originally when they were first installed, I just used the harness that Wbody provided that connected to the factory plug on the lights then connected to the ballast of the HIDs. Whenever I would turn on the lights, either the left or right HID would not want to come on. I would have to flick the high beams to get the ballasts to start up. This has been a constant problem since I have had them installed.

Just a week ago I got a new wiring harness for the HIDs to run independently from the stock wiring and work solely off the battery for direct power to help correct the problem as many have suggested would fix it. However even after installing the wiring harness the problem still persists. It is not as severe as before the wiring harness was installed but it is still going on. Also I find at times the right side HID flickering from time to time. It is very annoying.

The new setup is as follows. The new wiring harness is connected to the battery, it’s a has a nice big HID relay switch that feeds to lines that go to the power for both ballasts and one plug that plugs into the aftermarket harness that WBody provided. All grounds are good and the lights are working, but not as intended I am sure due to the problem listed above. I am only using one of the aftermarket harness' that WBody provided to plug in from the passanger light assembly into the new HID Wiring Harness that then plugs into the ballast on the right side. The driver side wiring of the HID wiring harness plugs directly into the ballast, no WBody aftermarket wiring harness used on that side of the assembly.

I know Chris, Webracin, had created a little device that was supposed to delay the HIDs from activating, but I never heard anything else about it. I sent him a PM or two on the National Boards back in the days before all the fallout there.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what might be the “fix” to this problem or suggestions to help correct it? Or could it be a problem with the ballasts themselves? The ballasts from WBody are pure chrome looking and do not have any labels at all on them. I could not even determine who the maker would even be of them.

Many thanks for reading all of this.

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James Shafer 2003 GP GTX St. Louis MO
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Hmmm i'd say you got your self a bad ballast..

Sounds like you have ballast that is dead or dying. What sucks about no name brands. They are hit and miss. Other issue could be the harness itself. Where did you get the harness at or did you make it?

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It being both sides, ballast doesn't make sense unless both ballasts are bad

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Geddy I sent a message to Chris for you, he says he has some switches left if you want one. But Id wait for him to see if he posts in here and gives his input on the issue you are having. He knows way more about HIDs than I do because he has them.

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could this be a ground issue, cause you fixed the power side, did the ground side get any attention

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Hoe exactly is the relay wired up?

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Is that just a 9007-1 kit? What do you have your +12 high beam feed tied to? You don't need an upgraded harness for that kit. Most ballasts will operate down to 9-10VDC, which unless you have a dead battery, will not happen at the headlamp sockets. Try powering up a ballast and bulb outside the car with some (fused protected) jumper wires to the battery (+12 lug at top of relay center will do). The only time you need a harness, is if the kit is a tilting or telescopic type, and generally they come with it because of the relay logic module.

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Hey Geddy,

I still have 2 of the kits I made up available. They really dont address the one light on issue, but since I installed the delay, it is few and far between when I have the issue now.

All the kit is, is a delay to allow the car to start before the headlights come on, which most say will save the ballast.

I have had mine installed for quite a while now and have the one light on issue maybe once a week, where before it was once a day.

Ground is not the issue either because I have the harness which also runs a seperate ground and is powered thru relays off the battery and the issue still occurs.

If you want to give the relay a shot, its posted in the for sale section.

webracin

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Here is the link to the Wiring harness I purchased for my HIDs.

eBay Motors: HID fuse relay wiring harness 9005 9007 9006 H1 H3 H4 (item 120218211703 end time Feb-09-08 14:15:56 PST)

Here is a brief description of the harness....

Features and Benefits

MAXIMUM OF 50W POWER SUPPORT!
5 WIRES AND 1 FUSE DESIGN
BLACK NEGATIVE WIRE; RED POSITIVE WIRE
CONNECTOR TO OEM SOCKET WHICH ALLOWS THE THE HID TO TURN ON AND OFF WITH THE CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE'S LIGHT SWITCH
2x HID BULB CONNECTOR WIRES

DRAWS POWER FROM THE BATTERY; NOT THE VEHICLE'S ELECTRICAL SYSTEM; GUARANTEED NOT TO SHORT YOUR VEHICLE
POLY SYNTHETIC WIRE COVER TO PREVENT DAMAGE FROM EXCESSIVE HEAT CAUSED BY THE ENGINE
E-MARK AND CE APPROVED
EXTRA LONG WIRES AND WIRE TIES FOR A CLEAN INSTALLATION & LOOK!


The way the HIDs are hooked is through the Wiring harness off the Battery. The lines from down the passanger side past the battery and then relay is located there with three wires leading from it. One of blue aftermarkter connections that connects to the actual headlamp is now plugged into the conection on the wiring harness to provide the power connecting back to the relay which inturns powers the 2 lines leading to the ballasts.

The blue wire in the picture above in my first post, is only used on the passanger side of the car. And other ballast has the direct power connection from the harness.

I am personally thinking it is the ballasts. I know the Ground connection of the new relay is spotless, cause IF it was not? The lights would not even come on at all. I feel the problem involves the ballasts only.

I can try and scare up some photos of the new wiring harness if need to be. And in regards to your question BlackinBlack. I am not sure if it is connected the way you mentioned. As I said before. The wiring with the blue ends, in the above photo, are connected the lamps connection of the same type connection for the 9007 bulbs.

I hope I am explaining this right?

And to answer your other question Black. These are single bulb HIDs no duals or extending HIDs. Sorry forgot to add that.

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1.9 Modified Rockers, TOGs, 180 Tstat, PRJ 10.4 Wires, P/P Gen 3, SLP Ram Air Hood/Wizaired CAI, Gen 1 Spoiler, 3.5 Pulley, 18" TSW Mondellos w/ AGX Struts, SSC Gen II Springs