Ok I got my Aeroforce gauge earlier this week. And with the weather being really nice today I decided it was time to go ahead and install the puppy! I ran all the wiring, connected the power wire that feeds to the OBD2 plug and then plugged in the aeroforce gauge. NOTHING.......I rechecked all my connections and they were good. So I tried again and turned the ignition on, and still nothing, leaving it on for almost 2-3 minutes before turning it off.

So I took off the Aerofoce gauge and reinstalled my Volts and O/P gauges. I then tried to the car over to make sure they were working. The car fired up. I then rescured the A Pillar Pod and then fired her up again to make sure nothing got bumped in the process. I turned the key.........NOTHING. No clicking of the alternator or anything resembling the car wanting to start up.

So I tried to put the key back into the OFF position and it would not go. I checked the brake pedal and it was hard to push. I tried moving the shifter thinking maybe was off a bit, but it was locked and would not move out of Park. So I thought maybe something happened when the Aeroforce gauge didnt work. So I went and took the power cuppler off the battery for about 10 minutes and then reseated it. Didnt work. I then tried to take the negative off for about 30 minutes and then came back and reseated, still the same results.

So when my roommate got home I thought I would hook up my jumper cables and see IF maybe somehow I drained the battery. The lights however were nice and bright before I tried it, but I felt I had to try and see. So I hooked them up and then tried to get the start, still nothing. So I decided to wait till tomorrow, it was getting really dark out and cold, of course my car was parked infront of the garage door and not inside so I couldnt really do anymore work.

So now I have disconnected both PCM cupplings, the battery again and I am going to leave it sit over night to see what happens. Of course with my stupid key sitting in my ignition. Luckily I live in a good neighborhood!

Any suggesstions would be most appreciated!!!!!!

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James Shafer 2003 GP GTX St. Louis MO
1.9 Modified Rockers, TOGs, 180 Tstat, PRJ 10.4 Wires, P/P Gen 3, SLP Ram Air Hood/Wizaired CAI, Gen 1 Spoiler, 3.5 Pulley, 18" TSW Mondellos w/ AGX Struts, SSC Gen II Springs

need to check the BTSI fuse... then if that is ok, disassemble the console and inspect the BTSI connector and it's wiring at the shifter.

Sounds like what happened to me when my car decided not to let me have the keys back there is a reset switch inside the shifter column that will let you get the keys out

Ok I will try that tomorrow. But if I do get my keys back and the problem still exits what next? Bad starter or ingnition switch???

I looked up the price for starters at ORiellys and Autozone they are both in the $150 buck range. And for for the ignition switch. I have to look further into that.

Man I am dreading this

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James Shafer 2003 GP GTX St. Louis MO
1.9 Modified Rockers, TOGs, 180 Tstat, PRJ 10.4 Wires, P/P Gen 3, SLP Ram Air Hood/Wizaired CAI, Gen 1 Spoiler, 3.5 Pulley, 18" TSW Mondellos w/ AGX Struts, SSC Gen II Springs

I didnt smell anything like burnt wiring when working with the Gauge Pod. I just dont know what i could have done unless when pulling the cable back out from underneath the dash I pulled something on that side of the car, there are a bunch of control type modules over there. But I had the Aeroforce wiring up through that space, the car started up. So something happened after I removed the gauge and the connection from the OBD2 and the power lead off the OBD2 that runs the gauge.

I am just at a complete loss on this one Usually I am pretty good at the hardware side of things with our cars, but with electrical, I am ti*s up

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James Shafer 2003 GP GTX St. Louis MO
1.9 Modified Rockers, TOGs, 180 Tstat, PRJ 10.4 Wires, P/P Gen 3, SLP Ram Air Hood/Wizaired CAI, Gen 1 Spoiler, 3.5 Pulley, 18" TSW Mondellos w/ AGX Struts, SSC Gen II Springs

To get the key out of the Ignition, take something long and skinny like a screwdriver, under your steering column below the key switch there a little round plastic cover pull that off (a flathead will get it out), now theres a hole, stick the skinny object in that hole (it won't go in too far), while keeping that pressed turn the key and the key will go to the off position and come right out guarantted.

That won't help with everything, but it'll atleast get the key out.

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Shawn W. Larsen


'99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ___ '00 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ___ '07 Chevy Trailblazer SS

Thanks Iron I will do that in the morning. I have a couple members of the St. Louis club coming over to go over the car with me to see what the problem might be. I will keep everyone up to date as best as possible!!

Thanks all for your input!! And more is always welcomed!!!

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James Shafer 2003 GP GTX St. Louis MO
1.9 Modified Rockers, TOGs, 180 Tstat, PRJ 10.4 Wires, P/P Gen 3, SLP Ram Air Hood/Wizaired CAI, Gen 1 Spoiler, 3.5 Pulley, 18" TSW Mondellos w/ AGX Struts, SSC Gen II Springs

Let us know what it is. I had a problem with the Aeroforce gauge I had when I installed it too. But mine would start up, then die after a second or two. Unplug the Aeroforce and all was fine. The aeroforce gauge was bad, that much I know and the person I bought it from would never own up to it.

But I never had any problems getting the key out or any of that stuff. I was going to suggest that perhaps a fuse had blown as Toasty suggested.

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Scotty Hall
Bartlesville, OK
2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
It whines a lot, but I like it.

The only limitation you will ever face in life is yourself!

What is BTSI? And Sir James, are you up and running yet?

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04 Indy SS build #972
XP, TOG's, Lightning injectors, 2.8 pulley, 105 CC springs, Wizaired, 3.29 gears, tripleedgeperformance ported blower, machined LIM, 180* tstat, RS12YC@.053, FP rewire, Alt rewire, stage 1 V boost, PRJ wires, Stage 2 IC

BTSI= Brake Transmission Shift Interlock... essentially, that's what keeps you from shifting out of park unless the key is in the run postion, and keeps the ignition key from being able to be removed---no power, no remove key.... in the run position, you SHOULD be able to shift out of park. if you can't then something is wrong with either the BTSI circuit (fuse, connector @ shifter) or the ignition switch. (check fuses first)