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Old 05-31-2008, 09:47 PM   #1
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Default The Compleate Fuel Economy Tuning Guide

A sticky may be in order for all of this extreamly time consuming work i did...lol







Tuning Tips:

- VE will change in colder winter months, its a good idea to optimize it for the colder air, so do it again. Make the trims as "perfect" as you can.

- Check your LTFT/STFTs after doing the VE, you will likely need to do a complete MAF tune afterwards as well. Make sure the trims always lock in at zero anytime you are in PE.

- Keep out of PE as long as possible! Reset your PE ENABLE TPS % back to stock or as close to stock as KR permits. Higher number means less change of going into a mode that will increase fuel usage.

- Use the stock 195 degree thermostat. Not only will it aid in making the car heater significantly warmer, the car will give you better mileage with a hotter T-stat than with a 180, more so if temps drop under the 20F or -10C ballpark. While we are on the topic, never ever use a 160 any time of the year, unless you live somewhere that the average winter temps during the winter are over 85F and the summer months are much hotter. No matter what T-stat you use, make sure the PT has the correct temperature ranges for the T-stat that is installed in your car.

- Make sure your IFR is the correct one for your car. This does 2 things. First is that your DIC indicated mileage indicated will be pretty accurate, and second is that it will be better able to meter the fuel out more accurately. Stock injectors = stock IFR.

- Run the biggest pulley you can. I run a 3.4 in the winter, but if I still had my original 3.8, that's what would be on the car.

- The boost valve mod is reversed. Meaning that most lower the boost valve so that boost comes on sooner. Mine is raised as far up as I can make it. This not only reduces the chances of part throttle KR but makes it a little more difficult to get into the boost at lower throttle settings, hence increasing mileage.

- Run the narrowest snow tires and lightest rims you can for mileage reasons and the fact that narrower tires run through deeper snow better than wide ones.

- Make sure all 4 tires are at 35PSI. An under inflated tire not only runs hotter, it increases drag significantly.

- Reset your tranny settings to stock (if you have performance shift, just reset the NORMAL mode). The stock factory settings are already designed with economy in mind and are quite good. I would not play with the TCC to lock up any earlier nor get the car to shift into 4th sooner. Its not always the best to be lugging the engine at low RPMs. In fact, what I still suggest is that 4th gear low RPMs still disengage the TCC a little sooner than factory because I found that I can get up the steep hills at lower TP% levels then of the TCC was locked, car is in 4th and the engine is lugging. Experimentation on your end will decide what is best for your car. Another related hint is to decrease shift speed. Slow, smooth shifts mean slipping the clutches longer and that is keep you from applying the power sooner. Perhaps decrease them so that they are quicker than stock but NOT harsh.

- Limit boost to as low as possible by disconnecting the boost solenoid. This limits you to 2-3 PSI of boost. Watch your O2s, they may rise a lot and you may have to increase the Base PE A/F (lean it out). While you are playing with the Base PE A/F, you may need to lean it out a little more due to the cooler air and less boost, so feel free to lower your summertime optimum O2 numbers by at least 10-20 (KR will be your deciding factor as to how much you can lean things out).

- You may wish to lean out the fueling only slightly and increase timing. The O2 vs timing is a juggling act... be careful to not go to the extremes with either parameter, you do not want to chunk pistons!

- Timing: You can likely get it 2-3 degrees higher during cruise during the cooler winter months than in the summer heat. In low RPM and low load situations you should be able to touch 40-43 degrees of timing. If you can maintain 39-47 degrees of timing while at a steady 60MPH cruise, consider that excellent. The stock timing for my 99 was between 25-28 at 70 MPH. I realized quickly that I could easily run 35-45 degrees without KR. That's a HUGE increase. I found that the 05GTP timing tables are a good starting point for my car in the winter months running on 87 octane. The only thing is that I reduce WOT timing from 21.5 to between 17-18 degrees as a safety factor because I use 87 octane. I then tweak areas between 1600-3500 RPM for slightly additional timing without inducing KR. Makes the job that much easier. I avoid the low RPM areas underneath 1600 for the simple reason that the stock 05GTP tables are already much more aggressive than my '99 tables and I do not wish to introduce the chance of low RPM/high load KR. You can make it even more aggressive on the low/no throttle or decel settings of 50 degrees timing. This is about the maximum permitted by the PCM.

- Insulated air intake. The colder the air coming in, the better. This goes for the summer months too!

- Setting your AE tables back to stock or as close to stock as possible is great. Nowhere will we use greater fuel than at acceleration and during the winter months, we should be able to do more with less. Get those tables back to as close to stock as your car permits.

- PE A/F vs TPS table: For me, I used to have massive flash KR using a 1999 bin, but this table in stock form, contributed to good mileage. A fair compromise would be to leave it at the stock settings between 0-25% TP and then drop it drastically to 2002 bin values at TP % values of 30% and higher (this is still theory as I have not tested this yet).

- Remove things from the car that unnecessarily add weight (do you really need those 200lb subs in there during the winter?)

- Try a lower grade of octane (when possible, not everyone has cold winters and can get away with this one). I run 87 in the winter and summer safely enough.

- Very cold days making your car take longer to warm up? Use a block heater. Add a 5 dollar timer and a nice 30-45 minutes of the block heater turned on will make your car's warm-up time drop by 50-100% depending how cold it really is.

- Driving technique is paramount and can likely make the biggest difference in your quest for good fuel economy. You have suddenly just started driving almost like a little old lady. By this I mean:

- No burnouts, no races, heck no hard acceleration (nothing over 25-35% TP). This one has to be the hardest to accomplish for us performance enthusiasts.

- No hard braking.

- Any throttle movement is slow and steady, you learn to compensate by looking farther ahead. This is a proper/safer way to drive anyways. If you want to take it to an extreme, imagine a raw egg between your foot and the gas pedal (lol).

- Hill coming up? Increase speed a few MPH now instead of fighting to maintain speed going up the hill. Going down that hill, do not go over your speed unless there is another hill right after that. If there is no other hill, do not let the car accelerate over your cruising speed by more than 2-3MPH and slowly regain your cruising speed.

- Your cruise control will never give you economy as good as your right foot can for the simple reason that it cannot look down the road and predict in advance and plan for changing conditions and road elevation changes.

- Speeding will cost you big MPG losses fast. Approximate an easy loss of 5-7 MPG drop between 60MPH and 75MPH. In a rush? Leave earlier and don't speed. A 15MPH difference over the average 30 mile commute saves you a mere 7.5 minutes but costs you 5MPG or more! Leaving 15 minutes earlier gives you the theoretical equivalent (in terms of arrival times) of you having traveled over 90MPH with a ZERO loss in fuel economy!!
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Default Re: The Compleate Fuel Economy Tuning Guide

Geeesh, I had no idea cut-n-paste was so labor intensive





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Default Re: The Compleate Fuel Economy Tuning Guide

I wasn't going to say it...
But, I'm sure I read this in JerryH's Tuner's Guide...
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But, I'm sure I read this in JerryH's Tuner's Guide...


ding ding ding ...didnt realize it was in the notebook but i ran across it in the v6 engine section on hpt....figured someone could benefit from it lol
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dang and i just realized that the tuner note book was already stickied....shows i was paying no attention what so ever lol...
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A sticky may be in order for all of this extreamly time consuming work i did...


Busted indeed... ROYALLY!

If you want to take credit for some good work, DO THE WORK, don't try to take credit for someone else's labour. Thats about the fastest way to lose complete credibility in the community (I don't think I will be participating or helping you out in any more threads on "other forums" anymore ).

Not nice at all.

BTW, yes, this indeed was me who wrote this article. Matter of fact, I am the one who pulled together the Tuning Guide several years ago exclusidely for the DHP users. Last year I released it to the public and a gentleman was nice enough to ask to wiki it, to which I gave my consent. If one goes to the wiki, the credits are still there. There is also a ton more info on how to properly tune on top of that.

Matter of fact, since this version was made specifically for the DHP PT users, I will be making another one sometime this summer/fall for the HPTuner boys. This new one will be more extensive and include more info than ever before... ("complete fuel ecomony tuning guide"... uhmmm, okaay... wait till you see my revised and expanded version!)

Enjoy the info, gentlemen.

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Ummm...wow I really don't know what to say. I surely wasent trying to take credit for your work. I think EVERYONE knows who did this. All I was trying to do was give the community a good peice of info that i did not realize they already had. I had been asked a lot of questions about fuel economy tuning by other members on here...and that made me want to give them more info that i couldnt give them with my own knowledge!!!

If I was trying to take credit for your work why would i name it the same thing you did???-KIND OF A DEAD GIVAWAY DONT YA THINK???

Note my sarcasm when i said ''A sticky may be in order for all of this extreamly time consuming work i did...lol'' < Why would i put ''lol''???

I am very dissapointed in anyone that is on gpf that would even BEGIN to think that i would take someone elses credit for somthing that they did.


I am on gpf for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only- To expand my knowledge and to help others expand there own knowledge. WETHER IT BE FROM SOMETHING I LEARNED OWN MY OWN OR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

I mean come on we all learn from someone else in some way,shape or form.

I was replying to a post here in the tuning section and responded with something that i had learned from reptile (brian) about timing tables. I learned this from REPTILE. AND HELPED THE OTHER MEMBER WITH THE INFO THAT I OBTAINED FROM HIM.


HE SAW THIS---BUT YOU DIDNT SEE HIM JUMPIN DOWN MY THROAT ACCUSING ME OF TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMEONE ELSES WORK NOW DO YOU?
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