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JAP SLPR
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James Harris
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Bin file Reading problem...


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How do you get the DHP PT to read an '02 Bonneville SSEI PCM? I thought the PT was open to all 3800 PCM's? I can read my 99 GTP fine but can't read my roomates 02 SSEI.

Software Version is 1.2.4


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Date: 1/28/2008 10:14:37 PM

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Willy
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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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you need to have the stock bin file first. i always wondered this too. i spent 4 hours (litterally) researching this over the weekend. you can tune most fwd v6, but to do it, you need the stock bin file, that is in the PT format. so go on the PT forums and search the downloads section, or the thread where they are all posted, and get it, then do a partial write to the pcm using that file, then you'll be able to edit that pcm..


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Date: 1/28/2008 10:42:53 PM

JAP SLPR
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James Harris
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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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you need to have the stock bin file first. i always wondered this too. i spent 4 hours (litterally) researching this over the weekend. you can tune most fwd v6, but to do it, you need the stock bin file, that is in the PT format. so go on the PT forums and search the downloads section, or the thread where they are all posted, and get it, then do a partial write to the pcm using that file, then you'll be able to edit that pcm..

Ah...so the stock bin is actually locked? I read the bin file directly from his car which is a completly stock file, and the PT just wouldn't open the file after reading it. So I should have no problem if I get the bin from the PT forums.?


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Date: 1/29/2008 7:43:12 AM

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Paul Jerkatis
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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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You need to first do a PCM Info and write down the OS ID (ie PCM Version number)... If your friend has an OS ID that isn't supported by DHP, then you are SOL, unless DHP does a database update for you to add it. Each model/year car may have several different OS IDs. These are upgrades/revisions by GM. DHP only adds support for specific OS ID's as needed so they may not get all of them for a specific model/year combo.

If it isn't communicating enough to read the PCM Info, then you have other problems.

There is nothing "locked" about a factory GM bin file. PT jsut doesn't reconize the OS ID, so doesn't know how to handle it. Most liekly, GM has put out an update for his car (VIN) and there is a newer version available, which is more likely supported (unless it is REALLY new, then it probably isn't going to be supported).

So, you need to find out the OS ID of where is in there, then go to GM CalID site, enter his VIN, and check the update history, and see if there are other versions, and then find out if one of the other versions are supported by PT.

PRJ


Date: 1/29/2008 9:14:10 AM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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quote:

You need to first do a PCM Info and write down the OS ID (ie PCM Version number)... If your friend has an OS ID that isn't supported by DHP, then you are SOL, unless DHP does a database update for you to add it. Each model/year car may have several different OS IDs. These are upgrades/revisions by GM. DHP only adds support for specific OS ID's as needed so they may not get all of them for a specific model/year combo.

If it isn't communicating enough to read the PCM Info, then you have other problems.

There is nothing "locked" about a factory GM bin file. PT jsut doesn't reconize the OS ID, so doesn't know how to handle it. Most liekly, GM has put out an update for his car (VIN) and there is a newer version available, which is more likely supported (unless it is REALLY new, then it probably isn't going to be supported).

So, you need to find out the OS ID of where is in there, then go to GM CalID site, enter his VIN, and check the update history, and see if there are other versions, and then find out if one of the other versions are supported by PT.

PRJ

Paul...thanks. The PT read his PCM fine, it just won't open the file. PT says file is not a supported type. So it could be the OS ID.

I have access to GM's dealer network so getting the OS ID right now shouldn't be a problem.


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Date: 1/29/2008 9:27:50 AM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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quote:

So, you need to find out the OS ID of where is in there, then go to GM CalID site, enter his VIN, and check the update history, and see if there are other versions, and then find out if one of the other versions are supported by PT.

PRJ

Paul,
for some reason it will not allow me to check the update history of his VIN number on the CAL ID Site.

Can you do it if I give you the VIN number?

*EDIT* For some reason I couldn't do it on the internal site but was able to do it on the public site...

So I now have the info regarding the CAL ID....is the OS ID supposed to match one of those?


< Message edited by jap slpr -- 1/29/2008 9:47:56 AM >


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Date: 1/29/2008 9:44:54 AM

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Paul Jerkatis
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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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Email me the info. I will call Chesser and find out. He is out of town right now, but I can get ahold of him.

PRJ


Date: 1/29/2008 10:12:11 AM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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What is your e-mail addy?


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Date: 1/29/2008 10:23:11 AM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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ORIGINAL: JAP SLPR

What is your e-mail addy?


If you click on the icon above my username, it will send email through ClubGP.

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Date: 1/29/2008 11:06:35 AM

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Brett Hamilton
1998 black 2 door grand prix gtp
RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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have you checked the DHP site for a supported stock ssei file?

There should be other .bins available that are accepted

Paul is right that dhp only supports a few OSID's for each year, as there is no need to have 50 different OSID's supported for each year. But there are a few sections of the site with suported .bins available for the cars. If you can find one of those, just overwrite your stock file with the supported file and tune on.


edit: i checked, they have an 01 ssei file that you should beable to use, but i haven't found an 02. So idk if you'd wanna use that or not


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Date: 1/29/2008 11:40:22 PM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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ORIGINAL: JAP SLPR

Paul...thanks. The PT read his PCM fine, it just won't open the file. PT says file is not a supported type. So it could be the OS ID.

I have access to GM's dealer network so getting the OS ID right now shouldn't be a problem.


Hmm. In that case.. Below is some info about a 2002 SSEi VIN I found on the net..

12581459 12581471 N/A New calibration to correct excessively depressurized fuel tank during EVAP diagnostic
12223524 12223446 N/A Calibration to improve OBD 2 diagnostics
12218964 12218850 N/A New software to ensure operation of generic service tools
9388034 9389022 N/A Control module calibration

Top is the newest calibration/bin. I think I remember seeing someone with a PowrTuner who was using a bin with OS id 12581471. If your 2002 SSEi is not at that calibration revision, and you can get it via GM, that might be the way to go.


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Date: 1/30/2008 1:18:00 AM

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RE: Bin file Reading problem... (in reply to JAP SLPR)


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Hmm. In that case.. Below is some info about a 2002 SSEi VIN I found on the net..

12581459 12581471 N/A New calibration to correct excessively depressurized fuel tank during EVAP diagnostic
12223524 12223446 N/A Calibration to improve OBD 2 diagnostics
12218964 12218850 N/A New software to ensure operation of generic service tools
9388034 9389022 N/A Control module calibration

Top is the newest calibration/bin. I think I remember seeing someone with a PowrTuner who was using a bin with OS id 12581471. If your 2002 SSEi is not at that calibration revision, and you can get it via GM, that might be the way to go.

Ok...so far here is the deal. We have uploaded the file 12581459 with OSID 12581471 into the PCM from a TECH 2 directly from GM's Dealer site. Cause we have access like that. Now, once that was installed, we were able to read the PCM, and make necessary changes to the file. Saved a new Bin file name and went to upload the file. Once we try to upload, a failue occurs and states: unauthorized access, cannot write file.

How is that? Is there a DHP 1.5 bin we could start out with?


< Message edited by jap slpr -- 2/4/2008 9:24:03 PM >


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