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Yep im not afraid to admit it.


So i just figured out my misfire issue and got a new o2 sensor installed and today was the first day my car was back to normal. So i decided I should do some tuning for the first time since the cam and tranny install. So before i had the encounter I had finished the first session of maf tuning. So nothing was perfect yet. Done a little tweaking to the wot also.



So ANYWAYS... I'm driving and see this import with a body kit pass me going the oppisite way...so i hang a u turn and see a cobalt ss...im like o look what do we have here. He didnt want to play. So the import is still ahead. I catch up. While im crusing behind him im trying to figure out for the life of me what kind of car it is. Looked like an old mazda proteje like 90's maybe. Or an old honda. The kid had aperantly just bought it becuase it had a dealer tag on it. The car was very clean and I could tell looking at all of the shiny suspension parts under the back of the car that the car definetly had some work done to it. It was a very clean car. No badges or anything. Bout 7 guages inside lol. It was a 4cyl.


So im on his ass... He gets on it and I floor it. Then I could tell when all of a sudden when i was not pulling on him that he also had some motor mods done.Turbo for starters lol. I was like uh o...redlight...Im thinking perfect. Light turns green we start out slow. bout 30 mph he starts to get on it (powerband) and i roll into the throttle hard.I start to spin in first. He's wide open also.


Were neck and neck and he is pullying on me very slowly. Every time he shifts I gain back just a tad. He is in probably about 3rd and im going about 95 in second gear pushing 17 LBS OF BOOST. I shift into 3rd. And he's pulling a good bit now since he's probably around 6500 rpms (powerband for him again) and me being in 3rd. We let off for a turn.He wins the race and I SUCK LOL.


And it all started when I figured it was some cocky kid who just bought a car fresh off the lot. Well, he may have bought this car fresh off the lot....But he bought a fast car off the lot. Still dont know what kind of car it was.



Im guessing it was a mid-high eleven second car. So my first race after the new mods I get my but whooped. It's a swell feeling.



The end.

ahhhh man yup those ricers can have the edge sometimes sadly =[

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hogan 3inch DP u bend delete ,180*tstat, autolite 104s, LED interior, 4" FWI, 2000watt system, bullitt rims, zzp pistons, pems, alt rewire, thrush muffs, 3.4 zzp mps, transgo shift kit, triple edge performance trans. autometer triple pod :SOON: urlosn HPT PCM tune, HEADERS, 1.9's

imports are fighting back...... lol

glad you posted the loss. makes me not feel as bad for loosing to a civic.

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2001 GTP street car- GT45 turbo,Stage 4 Intense turbo cam,FMIC,150 wet, double roller timing chain, Diamond forged coated pistons 8:0:1, Diamond piston rings, cryoed L32 connecting rods, Cryoed crank, Clevite77 main bearings, Clevite77 cam bearings, Clevite77 L32 rod bearings, ARP Everything, Intense/meizere true billet Flexplate, Custom UIM, Intense oil pressure kit, Cometic 4 layer head gaskets, OE-R lifters, Cryoed L67 block, ATI turbo dampner, SDD FATMAN FUEL RAILS!!!!!!!!!

Yea, I wouldn't feel bad either. There are some imports out there that are pretty bada$$. Reminds me of a time when I had my but handed to me by a mini cooper. Spanked numerous before, but this guy. Caught back up with him later and noticed all the german brand stickers on the rockers. Talked to him and he had it imported and all the work done there. Dude hit the throttle and it was like I hit the brakes. Gave him his props and we went on our way. So yea, it happens to all of us.

my last race i got scraped by an acura rsx type s.just another excuse to mod up.

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Wizaired cai,taylor 8mm wires,ngk tr55 plugs, msd coils.slp power flo exhaust w/gtx tips. future mods:zzp 1.0 pcm,slp headers, zzp hv3 uim runners ,zzp hv tb,gmpp sway bars,kyb agx struts,18"A.R.M:Rogues wrapped in firestone firehawk gt's.that's all performance wise.

since owning my gtp i have been in around id say 5 solid races won them all actually except only 1 "to a honda prelude debadged had nitrous and a turbo i believe and man was it loud haha

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hogan 3inch DP u bend delete ,180*tstat, autolite 104s, LED interior, 4" FWI, 2000watt system, bullitt rims, zzp pistons, pems, alt rewire, thrush muffs, 3.4 zzp mps, transgo shift kit, triple edge performance trans. autometer triple pod :SOON: urlosn HPT PCM tune, HEADERS, 1.9's

Heh...I've been walked by the best of them around KC.

If I see some dinky honda with a huge intercooler hanging from the front, I'll usually let it be. Power/weight ratio isn't in my favor with those things.

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GreenBastardPerformance2000 GTP Coupe (the green bastard)
XP, Pacesetters, LS1 TB & MAF,MSD System, P&P LIM, P&P GenV w/ 3.2, 3.0, 2.8, Devil'sOwn Injected 100% Methanol,PowerTuned, TripleEdge Trans w/3.29's
12.92 @ 105mph

lol yea i hear ya reptile

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hogan 3inch DP u bend delete ,180*tstat, autolite 104s, LED interior, 4" FWI, 2000watt system, bullitt rims, zzp pistons, pems, alt rewire, thrush muffs, 3.4 zzp mps, transgo shift kit, triple edge performance trans. autometer triple pod :SOON: urlosn HPT PCM tune, HEADERS, 1.9's

why? they are just evening out the playing field...supercharger vs turbo

ya'll make fun of honda's, but a lot of them can take you. I'm not a fan of honda's myself...even though I own an ACURA(a model that I found I actually did like), but hondas don't have to be riced out. When modded correctly they are fast

yea it is leaveling out the playing feild. and weigh about 1000 pounds less. so he said when he see's them he just lets them go because he dont stand a chance, he would lose...

so tdc... your running 11's now?? damn your car just keeps getting faster
i say because you said yall were pretty close. pretty much the same pull, so yall should have about the same times. maybe a solid 12 sec car

heh :/

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white 04 comg G gtp. wizair, pacesetters, slp 1.8 rr
its slow.

awesome race tho. sounds like a good one. i love the ones that are close like that.

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white 04 comg G gtp. wizair, pacesetters, slp 1.8 rr
its slow.

There are fast cars out there, and there are good sleepers out there too. But are you sure your car is a mid-high 12 sec car in full street trim? Have you proved it at the track? I'm not trying to knock you or your car at all, don't take it that way. But unless you have solid numbers the tables maybe turned, that ricer maybe of been in the 12s itself. Theres no telling honestly. I'm just throwing that out there, anything is possible...

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Shawn W. Larsen


'07 Chevy Trailblazer SS___'00 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ___'99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP

No where near.

Am I positive? no. I am pretty sure though. I prety much tune my car as if i am racing it at the track with a cupple exceptions. So if thats what you ment by streat trim then yeah It will do it in street trim. Im not for taking all of the seats out ect lol. Pump up the back to 50 PSI and the front down to 23-25 wich will make them about 30 when there hot. And thats pretty much it.


I have some maintence items to do before i can hit the track and moneys tight right now. based on my old time of 13.5 with a transmission that was slipping soooo bad that i had to set the 1-2 shift point at 5000 for it to actually shift at 6000 (and it would still hit the rev-limiter almost every time before it would shift.) and the fact that i installed a cam and went to a 2.8 from a 3.2 pulley I think i can pull those times off.


Assuming a good tune(wich it will be)I am guessing I will run around a 12.9-12.8 on street radials and around a 12.5-12.6 on slicks. And with the new addition of some nos im hoping to break 11's soon. very soon.


So I am HOPEING that a 2.8 from a 3.2 pulley + a built transmission (see sig for specs) from a horribly bad slipping one and an xp cam would be worth .6 tenths of a second. Shoot im pushing 18 psi as we speak with the current setup.


And no offense taken at all. Thats just the estimated goal for my times though.Im hopeing to be simi accurate lol.I've been suprisingly accurate with my guessing so far. A tenth of a second! I do a lot of reaserch and i pay real close attention on what people see from the parts they put on there cars.


And now that i have a new tranny it shifts within 300 rpm's of what i set it to shift at. On stock transmission tables!


I know how much a car pulls on you that is a second quicker ( i've raced many that i knew exactly how fast they were.) so thats what i was bassing that off of. But then again he could of been quicker or slower. It really depends on A LOT of conditions especially where you were at you power band vs. were he was. So it was just a guestimate.

Cool, I respect that. I always have respected the run what you brung attitude. I always never respected people you just gut there car for fast times and put them back together when going home. I guess its because I've seen fast cars race on the street and at the track and they didn't gut or do anything like that. As for tire mods, I don't mind that, nor do I mind slicks. Hell, i'm going to need a set next time I go out! LOL!



I donno what kinda street tires you'll be running, but traction may not be the easiest with your setup, just forwarning you. With Slicks and a 1.7-1.8 60 ft you'll defaintly have your best times, and the most fun I can promise that. These cars can be quite traction limited, even on fairly modest setups (no cam, etc).



Oh I think your goals are obtainable, no doubt in my mind. All I was saying is your setup right now as its setting maybe not be at peak potential now, know what I mean? It isn't completely dialed in so it may not be at your goal yet. Your setup is defaintly capable, no doubt, its been proven time and time again.



I'm glad. I was hoping my wording wasn't misleading to you. I wasn't being a dick at all honestly. It hard to type things without expressions, ya know? I have goals to I just don't express them because if I do with my luck they'll go the wrong way. I don't push my luck too much because I don't have any luck generally speaking.



I understand.

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Shawn W. Larsen


'07 Chevy Trailblazer SS___'00 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ___'99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP

haha yea i was just giving you a hard time. sounds like fun races

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white 04 comg G gtp. wizair, pacesetters, slp 1.8 rr
its slow.

Hey iron indian... what kind of slicks will you be running. I was thinking of going with the hoosier qtp's. I would kind of like to run a full slick but im not sure if there will be a huge bennefit or not. ya know?


Im sure i'll have some traction issues. I have street tires with a treadware of like 300 i think...so there not super hard but like you said slicks would be ideal. I'm sure when i do make it to the track it will almost feel like i have slicks because last time i went out it was on the bald stockers...i mean bald like showing thread lol. Probably stupid of me going out the in the first place like that.


But yeah i know what you mean about not being able to tell how people exactly mean something just with words and no voice. You seem like a straight up guy and always have.

power weight ratio power weight ratio power weight ratio....sucks that u lost.good try though!

TDC,

I plan on running Hoosier QTPs myself. They seem to proven themselves very well in the GP world as a good slick. Besides, most gp guys will tell you definatly go to slicks rather than drag radials and several have told me they regretted even getting DRs. With that said I figured i'd just go straight to slicks and skip the DRs period. I ran Z-rated Potenza RE730s years ago, damned if I got any better traction with them.

I was planning on running DR tire for daily driving/track use but hell if I don't get any better traction theres no point IMO. I'll just stick with street tires for the street and slicks for the traction, and maybe to occasional trouble making at the spot a couple miles down the road :-) RWD and FWD are in a league of there own when it comes to traction and how to get traction.

Definatly get the slicks dude, you'll get better 60fts no doubt. With a good launch and hook you should get 1.7-1.8 60fts and get the times you so desire. I haven't met anyone who regretted slicks yet. We both got built trannies, might as well have a little fun, right?

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Shawn W. Larsen


'07 Chevy Trailblazer SS___'00 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP ___'99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP

I ran my 12's in true street trim, only exception was taking my sub box out. Not taking the seats out or dropping the exhaust.

I've got DR's now, only reason for that is I don't have very much room to carry the jacks and spare wheels...plus, I got a killer deal on them. They were brand new for $135 from a friend. When I wear them out, then I'm getting QTP's

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GreenBastardPerformance2000 GTP Coupe (the green bastard)
XP, Pacesetters, LS1 TB & MAF,MSD System, P&P LIM, P&P GenV w/ 3.2, 3.0, 2.8, Devil'sOwn Injected 100% Methanol,PowerTuned, TripleEdge Trans w/3.29's
12.92 @ 105mph